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2016 Engine Failure-My Story

Ironcity

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Dec 16, 2020
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Hi everyone. I am just posting my story. We bought our 2016 ecodiesel used in July 2018 with 17,000 miles. We loved this truck. Silky smooth engine averaging 25 mpg mixed. We bought a TT and took multiple vacations with it. Pulled it no problem. Hauled heavy multiple times with no issues. Mostly, it is our family vehicle. 50/50 city/highway mix.
Wife was driving it home from work when it start a fast tapping sound. She said the oil pressure gauge started going to zero unless she gave it fuel. She pulled over. We had it towed to the local dealer. They said it had large metal chunks in the oil pan and I needed a new engine. 57,000 miles on it. I gave them all my maintenance records as I do all of it myself. They accepted it under warranty which was a huge relief. They gave me a loaner Ram. This all happened in early March at the beginning of COVID. Had to wait two months for the brand new engine to arrive from Italy because they were under total lockdown. The dealer did not know the reason for failure as they said FCA did not want the engine opened up. Dealer did say they had the pan off and there was nothing obvious. I will never know. Very pleased with the dealer. They said mine was their first ecodiesel failure, but very few ecodiesel are in our area.
I had the emissions recall done while they installed the new engine and did get my $3000. The new engine seems ok. I think it is more sluggish, but I think that is from the update. Towed the TT multiple times since and pulls it no problem again. It’s temps are about 5* higher than the old engine when towing now, but they never get very high. Coolant and oil both hit 220 now whether towing in 98 degree FL heat or in the GA mountains. Our only issue with the new engine was the engine light came on towing once and the code was unexpected quantity of fuel injected. Dealer said they reset it, couldn’t find an issue and it hasn’t happened since. About 15,000 miles on the new engine and a 3 year, 100,000 mile ram warranty on it. Hopefully it lasts, but so many die. I have a coworker whose eco just failed and is getting a new engine as well. The only other person I know who has one!
 

TC Diesel

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Jul 14, 2016
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You and 10,000+ others, The new engines come with the same inherited risk. You made the Cut the engine is now out of production and its Remans from here out, There may be exceptions being still used in Europe.
 

Ironcity

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Dec 16, 2020
40
15
Truck Year
2016
You and 10,000+ others, The new engines come with the same inherited risk. You made the Cut the engine is now out of production and its Remans from here out, There may be exceptions being still used in Europe.
I wonder if they could install the latest generation engine in under a warranty situation. It is basically the same transmission and I would guess the engine mounts are the same. The computer module would have to be replaced unless they could do a factory reset with the new engine codes in it, although the tranny is slightly changed. I would argue for that if it happens to me again. Of course, they have plenty of failed engines to rebuild, so a tough sell. I’m actually surprised that Ram gave VM a second shot after all of these failures. They must’ve lost money on this little diesel. Especially with the emissions lawsuit coupled with all of the failures. This engine is fantastic when operating correctly. And we love the Ram trucks best. But I have little faith in it now. If I could go back in time, I would buy a 2500 since we bought a trailer or at least the Hemi 1500. When I had bought the truck, I only read all of the accolades of the eco and didn’t go to forums like this. Now I know better. But we are going to keep this truck for a while longer, probably through warranty and then sell it.
 

Ironcity

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Dec 16, 2020
40
15
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2016
You and 10,000+ others, The new engines come with the same inherited risk. You made the Cut the engine is now out of production and its Remans from here out, There may be exceptions being still used in Europe.
Also, when you say new engines come with the same inherent risk, I assume you are talking about the same generation replacement engine and not the latest generation, correct?
 

BoostN

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You and 10,000+ others, The new engines come with the same inherited risk. You made the Cut the engine is now out of production and its Remans from here out, There may be exceptions being still used in Europe.

So, no more EcoDiesel in the 21 year model trucks? or 22?
 

TC Diesel

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Jul 14, 2016
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Boostn, FCA America cannot sustain the 3.0VM, I just checked, The Ecodiesel 3.0 in our region 76 Gas to every 1 3.0VM. DSL. 376 Gas 5 3.0VM DSL , I've been in/around The New Vehicle selling for Decades, We have 105 1500s and NOT one Ecodiesel on lot current, and No Orders in Dec 20, Luther Ram has 52 1500s and 2 Ecodiesels. Roseville has 22 1500s and 0 Ecodiesel . Cornerstone 22 1500s Gas 0 Ecodiesel. Fury 96 1500s Gas 0 Ecodiesel , Forest lake 79 1500s Gas 3 Ecodiesel, These #s cannot be supported for more than 2-2.5 Years. I see a power plant change in the future or the 3.0VM Ecodiesel will be dropped.
 

TC Diesel

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Also, when you say new engines come with the same inherent risk, I assume you are talking about the same generation replacement engine and not the latest generation, correct?

2020+ have the same failure, Rotating Mass, Your just not seeing the #s do to lack of sales Post #6. Back in 2014-16.5, the rate was 9-12 3.0s to 76 Gas.
 

BoostN

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Boostn, FCA America cannot sustain the 3.0VM, I just checked, The Ecodiesel 3.0 in our region 76 Gas to every 1 3.0VM. DSL. 376 Gas 5 3.0VM DSL , I've been in/around The New Vehicle selling for Decades, We have 105 1500s and NOT one Ecodiesel on lot current, and No Orders in Dec 20, Luther Ram has 52 1500s and 2 Ecodiesels. Roseville has 22 1500s and 0 Ecodiesel . Cornerstone 22 1500s Gas 0 Ecodiesel. Fury 96 1500s Gas 0 Ecodiesel , Forest lake 79 1500s Gas 3 Ecodiesel, These #s cannot be supported for more than 2-2.5 Years. I see a power plant change in the future or the 3.0VM Ecodiesel will be dropped.

That doesn't mean they are going to STOP producing them. Granted, it does show production numbers are down, or maybe the demand is down? Likely both.. but I don't know, and many of us don't without those internal numbers.

I don't see any signs they are dropping the EcoDiesel..
 

BoostN

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200 mile radius of new 1500 trucks from Nashville, TN:

TruckDieselGasTotal Trucks% of Diesel
Ram 150057319832551.8%
Chevy 1500155162017759.6%
GMC 150016155571629.0%
Ford 15009244024490.4%

Check my math..

With that said, looks like stock is low everywhere.
 

TC Diesel

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Yep, its down everywhere Even The Cummins, Duramax, Scorpion.

WOW , I'm Surprised at the little Max Numbers VS the Gas in Your area

Here ,Main Motors 1500 Chev 72 Gas 3 DSL, Viking Chev 1500 43 Gas 4 DSL ,Walser Chev 1500 28 Gas 0 DSL. Luther Chev 1500 Gas 53 0 DSL.
 

TC Diesel

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Nashville and 10 County Area 1.9 Million, Twin cites 7 County Area 3.28 Million.

I forgot Jeff Blazers, 1500 Gas 100 6 DSL
 
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